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Ajit Alles

Maybe we should adopt the system in the British Commonwealth. Students go into medical school straight from high school. They receive an MBBS or MBChB(equivalent of the MD) in about 4 years. I went through such a program in Sri Lanka. The only catch is that High School is very intensive and more focused. I think that many FMG's practicing in this country are from former British Colonies and have a similar training. The training is similar to US Medical schools in terms of course content. I have felt no lack of education compared to my US colleagues.

Brian Jackson

Bruce,

Another idea -- I'm basing this on a proposal published in JAMIA a few years back by Bill Stead. Create a 2 or 3 year track for nurses and PA's to earn full medical degrees. The curriculum could be streamlined since these folks already have a lot of clinical knowledge. But keep the academic bar for admission about where it currently is for medical schools. I remember a med school classmate -- former nurse -- who was both extremely bright and extremely clinically experienced. It was stupid and wasteful to make her do all the same coursework the rest of us had done.

For this approach to be really effective, this country would have to figure out how to markedly increase the number of slots for nursing and PA schools -- but we should do this anyway.

This track would help potential doctors from being scared off by med school debt, since they could first get decent-paying jobs as nurses or PA's and then entertain finishing up the medical degree later on.

Karl Robstad

Hmmm, interesting.

As a graduate from a combined college/med school program myself, I feel like I have some insight to share on this.

Where I went to med school they had 3 combined programs, mine was 8yrs, and there was a 7yr and a 6yr program as well. IMHO, those kids who had only 2yrs of college, while they may have been very bright, some of them were wayyyyy to immature for medicine (one of them had a breakdown, actually, and dropped out). Having said that, however, to pick medical student to graduate early based on their 'maturity' is way vague and subjective and, I think, ultimately not fair. The issue of debt from education is undeniable, and GP is suffering as a result, for sure. And while I think cutting years is a clever approach, I just don't think it's the answer. Personally, I think the direct approach is the best here. Can ANYONE explain to me why med school was $55,000 a year for me? Sure ppl always say. "well, you'll be good for it in 8 years" or whatever, but that's really not ok. My med school was one building, with quite a finite list of teachers and services, yet it cost twice as much as college and didn't come with room or board! During my tenure as a medical student, we actually approached our dean about the outrageousness of the tuition (I think we were 3rd in the country for most expensive med school at the time), and the fact that it was continuing to go up. Well, he sat our whole class down and showed us a 100-foot pie chart of our expenses. And with that, we had our answer. Now, I'm not 100% sure I'm recalling this EXACTLY, but if memory serves me: 30% of our tuition went to float the hospital's pro-bono work. Is this true elsewhere? I was outraged, we all were. In addition to this we also had to pay a multi-thousand dollar 'national security fee' or something of like. Unreal. In the end we all just sucked it up, but it's not ok. Things need to be fixed or the system will collapse in on itself.

Nobody likes people that complain and then don't offer an alternative, so here are my ideas:
1. My medical school is as expensive as it is because we have one of the WORST endowments in the country. There should be more focus on giving back, in the form of alumni office activity, and also, you attendings out there should do your parts!!

2. If I go to med school, I should be paying for my education and not ER work for ppl without healthcare. I suppose this could be fixed by adopting a nationalized health care system, but I'm not about to open that can of worms. Again, I'm not sure if this situation is recapitulated elsewhere in the country, but there must be some shenannigans to justify $55,000 a year.

3. Go to a state school or live in a country outside the US. Many of my co-residents have ZERO debt because medical school is paid for by the government in their country. Now that's all good and what not, but in all seriousness, programs like this DO exist in the United States. First of all, there are the Armed Forces. Also, there are various programs (most of them in Family Practice, I believe) that will pay for medical school with a X-year contract to practice in underserved areas. I think these could be some valid alternatives to signing away your soul to some people.

Just some food for thought :) What do you think?

-Karl

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